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Chat 1/10/2013

01-10-2013 09:52:01
Praying_Mantis
nice catch on LNKD
01-10-2013 09:54:51
BruceB_RR
That was from the "Key Reverse Long Entry" I had running the other day.
Anybody checked there Account Information tab, I reset my account over the weekend and it showed $100k. Now it is at $65k. I have only bought 6 positions and they are up $400
01-10-2013 10:00:57
Midwest_Trader
Good morning. Let the fun begin!
So, 5.0.10 won't allow me to run back test nor RTS, however, TO seems to be working just fine. I am seeing buys and sells (new for V5?). Any word when a new code base will be made available?
01-10-2013 10:04:30
BruceB_RR
I have a message in to them asking about the next update. I thought it was going to be last night.
They must have seen something that they didn't like.
01-10-2013 10:05:35
Midwest_Trader
Me too :-)
01-10-2013 10:05:48
Praying_Mantis
RR - is that a built
RR - is that a pre-built strategy in Prodigio?
01-10-2013 10:06:57
BruceB_RR
Yeah. I had just started it to see how RTS was working. :)
01-10-2013 10:07:28
Praying_Mantis
ah, yes...I see it now.
not that it's on the front burner, but did they even touch the charting package?
01-10-2013 10:10:19
BruceB_RR
No, not yet.
I'm not sure what happened to the new charting package, at one point it seemed like that was going to be the next big push. But then we got TradeVision instead.
I like TradeVision but I think I would rather have had the charting.
I have been lobbying to get at least some kind of Plot node that would allow us to see the values that we want to see in the chart.
01-10-2013 10:18:11
Praying_Mantis
I wonder if Ackman is going to win in the HLF war!!
stock has recovered a bit in the past few days.
yeah, the plot node would be cool!
01-10-2013 10:19:21
BruceB_RR
Send it in as a request. the more the merrier :)
01-10-2013 10:23:14
Midwest_Trader
Is there a way to see what rules make up Prodigio strats such as "Key Reverse Long Entry"? Also, any way to back test them?
01-10-2013 10:25:52
BruceB_RR
The rules are in the Rule Templates under Prebuilt Strategy Rules
http://i.imgur.com/O6ufV.png
That doesn't tell you what they are using for exit rules though. I have not seen a way to backtest the strategy that they have set.
01-10-2013 10:28:26
Praying_Mantis
I think Midwest might have trying to did deeper and look into the strats to see how they're built??
did = dig
01-10-2013 10:33:11
Midwest_Trader
Always looking for insight and inspiration
01-10-2013 10:33:19
Praying_Mantis
don't blame ya Midwest!!
I was trying to do the same last night.
btw - we can paper trade futures!!!
01-10-2013 10:33:52
Midwest_Trader
/es?
01-10-2013 10:33:52
Praying_Mantis
i just shorted /es mini futures - very cool.
01-10-2013 10:33:56
BruceB_RR
No,
???
01-10-2013 10:34:20
Praying_Mantis
/esh3 -> I just used Active Trader
short 1 contract
01-10-2013 10:34:35
Midwest_Trader
cool
glimpse of future?
01-10-2013 10:35:19
BruceB_RR
No guess here.
01-10-2013 10:35:30
cosmo
I'm getting hits in TO but no RTS action on TO hits
01-10-2013 10:36:24
BruceB_RR
RTS turned on?
01-10-2013 10:36:36
cosmo
Yes
01-10-2013 10:36:49
Praying_Mantis
cosmo - remove and reinstall the strategy in the TO field...
I just had to do that for all four of my strategies.
pain-in-the-arsh, but I think that's the trick.
01-10-2013 10:38:22
cosmo
Its working in TO but not filling the same hits in RTS
01-10-2013 10:40:26
Praying_Mantis
as for the futures trade I did...I don't think they're calculating the tick movement correctly -> for ex. in the /esh3 futures 1 tick is = .25 ($50) = $12.50, but Prodigio is showing just .25 change...
01-10-2013 10:41:31
cosmo
You were able to do futures trade on Prodigio, PM
01-10-2013 10:41:56
Praying_Mantis
yeap. Go to active trade and use the /esh3
01-10-2013 10:42:19
cosmo
Wow...it never worked before.
1456.25 support if it will get there
01-10-2013 10:44:17
Praying_Mantis
cosmo - I'm correct in my above calculations, correct? Just want to make sure.
01-10-2013 10:44:58
cosmo
Each tick is 1250
1 tick should be .25
01-10-2013 10:46:21
Praying_Mantis
but each tick is = $12.50?
01-10-2013 10:46:52
cosmo
I got that last bounce we had on my Ninja. Waiting for the next key # down. 12.50 per tick and 50.00 per point on ES
01-10-2013 10:47:30
Praying_Mantis
Okay, cool.
01-10-2013 10:48:12
cosmo
SWHC in the buy area this morning. Earnings early March before March expiration.
March 10 calls are cheap
They should have "blow out" earnings
I like tho buy cheap out of the moey options at the VAL of the market profile.
money
Good risk/reward
Look for 100% gain to 1st scale or end of trade
01-10-2013 10:52:29
Praying_Mantis
interesting.
01-10-2013 10:53:12
cosmo
If you buy them cheap enough your downside is not much
They are .30/.35 right now
$30/contract is pretty low
Watch 1456 area for bounce
01-10-2013 11:05:02
BruceB_RR
Ok, Mike says that they are releasing new updates every other day, So we should see another update tonight.
01-10-2013 11:05:40
cosmo
Any word on why the auto update chokes?
01-10-2013 11:06:03
BruceB_RR
It worked for me yesterday.
01-10-2013 11:06:18
cosmo
I had to un/re
01-10-2013 11:06:40
BruceB_RR
I had to let it update and then start it again to get it to run.
01-10-2013 11:14:23
Praying_Mantis
/esh3 not always able to trade it...not reliable. Most times it get rejected, but I did get 2 executions.
Oh well, I got a little excited there.
01-10-2013 11:15:34
BruceB_RR
At least there seems to be some of the ground work in there.
01-10-2013 11:16:47
cosmo
I tried to buy ES on Prodigio and nothing happened
01-10-2013 11:17:29
Praying_Mantis
try only 1 contract
limit
01-10-2013 11:18:23
cosmo
Nothing and no orders in Order Book
01-10-2013 11:19:22
Praying_Mantis
weird. I have on on the books executed.
01-10-2013 11:20:19
cosmo
My RTS is not working this morning. I have not gotten any RTS since the big update.
01-10-2013 11:21:45
Praying_Mantis
http://screencast.com/t/M4SPS3tB
01-10-2013 11:22:53
BruceB_RR
Yeah Cosmo, I am sending in a question about that now.
01-10-2013 11:23:24
cosmo
TO works fine
01-10-2013 11:23:27
Praying_Mantis
did you remove and then add the strategy back in?
I had to do that for both TO and RTS this morning.
01-10-2013 11:24:26
BruceB_RR
Yes, I restarted both with fresh strats
Are you getting RTS hits PM?
01-10-2013 11:24:46
cosmo
Not much bounce here
Still negative tick
It might try another stab down
Chat crashed here with black screen. I had to reload page.
There is the bounce 158 resistance now
1458
1459.50 next up above that
01-10-2013 11:32:15
BruceB_RR
Hmmm, It was probably me. I upgraded the chat last night. We should have private chatting available now. But since I just started it I think everyone needs to refresh or hit f5 to get it.
01-10-2013 11:32:52
cosmo
F5 is PC only command
01-10-2013 11:36:28
BruceB_RR
The f5 just Refreshes the browser.
01-10-2013 11:37:21
cosmo
closed it
01-10-2013 11:39:00
BruceB_RR
To open a private chat, click on the persons Icon on the left. To close it again hit the little red x in the top right.
01-10-2013 11:40:21
Praying_Mantis
RR - sorry, stepped out to care for coffee...yes, I have RTS working for me...
I've exhausted my buying power so I'm not waiting for the limits/stops to execute.
not = now
http://screencast.com/t/g2LYA05K
01-10-2013 11:41:53
BruceB_RR
Are your hits from today?
01-10-2013 11:42:19
Praying_Mantis
yeap. LInk above is proof in the pudding, as they say.
01-10-2013 11:43:44
BruceB_RR
So it is even one of your own strats :)
01-10-2013 11:43:54
Praying_Mantis
yessir
i can screenshot the 'working orders' if you wish
01-10-2013 11:45:42
BruceB_RR
I am more interested in why Cosmo and I are not getting any hits.
What type of strategy is it?
01-10-2013 11:46:30
Praying_Mantis
buy when the LR (normalized) is below -.02 on the 1 minute
simple
LR slope, that is.
I just freed up some buying power...let's see if I get any executions from here on out.
Got another execution just now...DPZ, and more as I speak...
http://screencast.com/t/Wf809JsQnjc
01-10-2013 11:51:14
whirlly
I have both problems in TO. The strategies that I want to fire, aren't working. But also a strategy that I removed 3 days ago, is still active and keeps firing signals even though I don't want it. I rebooted few times, added and removed again and it wont' go away.
01-10-2013 11:54:34
BruceB_RR
whirlly, if the strategy is broken in any way it will not start in either TO or RTS.
Also the Strat seems to need to be in the import folder.
Look in your rules and make sure none of them are red this morning. I had to open and save a couple of them to get them to work again.
01-10-2013 12:00:13
whirlly
Funny thing is, the exit part of the strategy works in TO but only when the market closes. So at 4pm EST, all the exit strategies trigger. But during the day, no signals are triggered. The End Signal bar is set on Forming Bar On, but still no entries.
The same strategies work in BT (but only trigger at 9:31am EST) even though forming bar for the day is on. But during the day no BT or TO signals are triggered for some reason.
01-10-2013 12:02:21
Praying_Mantis
RR - the new strats I created are not in my imports folder. Here's my setup (folders) in case anyone wants to use mine as an example.
http://screencast.com/t/WGb832EdEh
01-10-2013 12:03:05
BruceB_RR
On the strategy that is not getting removed you may need to call in to support for that.
01-10-2013 12:04:48
Praying_Mantis
you even have your own folder on my end RR!! How's that for respect?! ;)
01-10-2013 12:05:29
BruceB_RR
:)
I really got a kick once when Bryan Wagner pulled one of my strategies out in a video chat. :)
01-10-2013 12:07:49
whirlly
thanks Bruce will do. What is the most efficient way to contact them? Phone or email? If their emails are backed up, afraid I won't get a response in a timely matter. If they're so busy, perhaps email is the way.
01-10-2013 12:08:50
BruceB_RR
I was thinking by phone on that. There will probably be lots of questions.
Or it could be something that they can kill on there end.
one click ;)
01-10-2013 12:10:35
whirlly
ok thank you
01-10-2013 12:13:24
Praying_Mantis
they're usually pretty good with phone calls.
I like the heat map in quotes. Not sure it was there before, but nonetheless...
01-10-2013 12:19:44
BruceB_RR
Yeah, we got the heat map in ver 4
So, when you bring up the strategies in RTS, when you scroll down through the available strategies you see a section for other folders?
http://i.imgur.com/K5sZ9.png
I only see the imports folder.
01-10-2013 12:27:01
Praying_Mantis
I save my strategies away from the imports folders
I created a strategies folder.
for your imports/ASHO...mine now says strategies/ASHO...etc.
01-10-2013 12:28:24
BruceB_RR
Yeah, I have a few strategies in a "Test Strats" folder but I don't see them show up in the list.
Interesting, another puzzle.
01-10-2013 12:31:22
Praying_Mantis
are all your folders saved under the mywizardlab folder?
01-10-2013 12:31:42
BruceB_RR
Yes
I wonder if there is a limit to the size of the list.
01-10-2013 12:32:33
Praying_Mantis
look for test strats/Ahso...etc.
01-10-2013 12:34:17
BruceB_RR
Yeah, all mine come from "imports" but I do have a lot of them. Going to grab some coffee and play around a bit.
Well I'm thinking that there is some limit to how big that list can be. I made a new folder and called it "aStrats" so it would fall ahead of the import folder. Now I see strats in that folder also
Or maybe the folder can't be two words?
01-10-2013 01:00:23
Praying_Mantis
hmm...
When you do a 'save as' in Strategy Builder what folders are you seeing?
01-10-2013 01:02:44
BruceB_RR
http://i.imgur.com/Ner7Q.png
01-10-2013 01:08:37
Praying_Mantis
hmm...the Test Strates folder should show up in RTS 'strategies' drop-down menu.
01-10-2013 01:10:03
BruceB_RR
Hmmm, interesting. I went into file explorer from windows and moved all of the strategies out of the "imports" folder, then restared Prodigio and everything looks the way I would expect.
Yeah PM, that is what I was complaining about :)
01-10-2013 01:11:41
Praying_Mantis
lol - (just shaking my head)
01-10-2013 01:13:42
BruceB_RR
It seems to be working now. Must have still been some error in the "imports" folder maybe. Maybe stopping it from finishing building the list.
01-10-2013 01:28:14
Praying_Mantis
I want them to let me enable/disable 'seeing' the exits in TO. It's nice to have, but right now it's clutter for me.
01-10-2013 01:28:52
whirlly
Just got off the phone w/ Mike at prodigio. Nothing major to report. They are working very hard at fixing all the bugs w/ the ceo of optionshouse at their backs. As far as my problem w/ Trade Optics, they said in a future update, they are going to purge all existing strategies oh OH, so watch out and be ready to place them back in.
I asked about the possibly of leaving 4.0 running, but he said, they dont have the resources for that at the moment. However, he said next year, they will go that route and have like a beta 6 that will run seperately than a stable version, so we wont be subjected to this type of upgrade pain in the future.
01-10-2013 01:31:19
BruceB_RR
Nice report whirlly
Thanks
01-10-2013 01:32:23
cosmo
RR, where is the strat folder found. I shut down Prodigio.
01-10-2013 01:33:14
BruceB_RR
In windows it is: C:\Users\Bruce\prodigio\mywizardlab
01-10-2013 01:34:17
cosmo
Not the same on XP but I found it
How did you manage the imports?
01-10-2013 01:34:41
Praying_Mantis
there u go. I'm on mac, so a little different obviously.
01-10-2013 01:35:02
cosmo
I should download and try on my mac
If it will run on Tiger
01-10-2013 01:35:26
BruceB_RR
I was expecting Cosmo to be looking on his mac lol
01-10-2013 01:35:30
cosmo
10.4.11
This old Mac is slow
01-10-2013 01:36:08
Praying_Mantis
10.6.8 for me
01-10-2013 01:36:09
cosmo
1.4GHz G4
01-10-2013 01:36:17
Praying_Mantis
OS X
yeah, i'm using a 3.06 GHz Intel Core i3
01-10-2013 01:36:44
cosmo
My trading PC is 3.2GHz Core 2 Duo
Overclocked
01-10-2013 01:37:14
Praying_Mantis
and the light sabers come out!!
01-10-2013 01:37:47
cosmo
I'm looking to buy a new Mini
01-10-2013 01:38:37
Praying_Mantis
nice!
back to ur original ques. - I created a couple new folders underneath the mywizardlab...
I import the rules or create new ones, and then save or move them to the respective folders I've created, albeit, all under the mywizardlab folder
01-10-2013 01:47:19
cosmo
Looks like it has to be 10.5 or greater :(
I'll have to wait
01-10-2013 01:58:27
Praying_Mantis
I wish the guys who created Numbers (the apple version of Excel) would get together and team up with Excel - Numbers is a nice piece of software, but of course, doesn't integrate with business applications very well.
For instance, DDE links with ToS would be nice for Numbers.
Oh well, for another discussion at another time!
01-10-2013 02:39:50
timtom
someone was talking about this earlier - I just got a hit in TO on a strat I had active before the upgrade, but no longer have active in V.5. must be stuck on the server somewhere.
did they change the starting amount on the paper accounts? and possibly turn off margin?
acct got out of whack with the upgrade. I reset to $100k, but still no margin available it looks like.
01-10-2013 02:56:27
Praying_Mantis
yeah, for the margin is screwed up.
^me
01-10-2013 02:58:07
BruceB_RR
Yeah me too! I reset my account also but it is back to where it was before the upgrade.
01-10-2013 02:59:40
Praying_Mantis
Time to run around the block a few hundred times!! (ugh!)
01-10-2013 03:00:08
BruceB_RR
I feel like I've been running in place.
01-10-2013 03:00:19
Praying_Mantis
they must be doing upgrades/fixes during the day, obviously.
lol @ RR
01-10-2013 03:01:41
cosmo
I reset my account and the strat is broken again like this morning. The phantom trade did go away however :)
01-10-2013 03:01:51
Praying_Mantis
lol
01-10-2013 03:02:11
cosmo
That suckr has been there for months
sucker
01-10-2013 03:03:56
Praying_Mantis
Wish I could program and help out M Trading! They're not far from here!!
01-10-2013 03:04:32
timtom
I wish I could program. Period.
01-10-2013 03:05:21
Praying_Mantis
yeah, seriously. Everything on Wall Street is all about latency trading, java, c++, SQL, etc.
I'm seriously considering going to Drexel U. for computer science/programming
01-10-2013 03:07:09
cosmo
FPGAs
01-10-2013 03:07:24
Praying_Mantis
what's that?
01-10-2013 03:07:38
cosmo
Field Programmable Gate Array
01-10-2013 03:07:53
Praying_Mantis
great - add that to the list!
01-10-2013 03:07:53
cosmo
FAAAAAAAST
01-10-2013 03:08:36
Praying_Mantis
Whatever happened to us floor traders and specialists???
01-10-2013 03:09:23
timtom
they're still around. all several of them.
01-10-2013 03:09:31
Praying_Mantis
haha
01-10-2013 03:11:02
cosmo
There for nostalgic show...or die-hards. Face to face in the pit is still lucrative however.
01-10-2013 03:11:42
Praying_Mantis
reload Prodigio fellas!! You'll get all your margins, etc.
01-10-2013 03:16:35
timtom
yeah? still no margin for me
01-10-2013 03:19:48
cosmo
Getting lots of hits on the sell side of my main strat
On TO
01-10-2013 03:22:18
BruceB_RR
Interesting, have you seen any Buy signals?
01-10-2013 03:22:54
cosmo
No but we are at the top of the range so we are on the sell end of the strat
Lots of sells here with the market pop
01-10-2013 03:23:41
BruceB_RR
Just wondering if that is why there have been no hits in RTS
01-10-2013 03:24:45
cosmo
I had a pre-built on before I reset and got long hits in TO but no fills in RTS
01-10-2013 03:28:04
BruceB_RR
Yeah, that is the same here. I am running the Key Reverse Long and short along with one of my strats. Lots of hits in TO but nothing in RTS. But I just realized that the strat I am running is short and all the hits in TO are exits.
I guess it is time to try and get another strat working.
01-10-2013 03:30:53
cosmo
I just loaded another high activity one to see what happens
It was hitting TO today but not RTS
Busby buying HSY May 75 calls today. I would try to buy them at 2.30 on a pullback. He buys the breakouts and takes the retrace heat.
I put a GTC at 2.30
Chocholate season.
I got an RTS fill on my main strat EXC at 29.25 :)
chocolate
It would appear the reset did the trick
The long trade filled in RTS but did not show up in TO at the same time.
More fills in RTS...don't show in TO
. PEG and SYY
01-10-2013 03:46:43
Praying_Mantis
just received a TO hit on SLB for a Key Reverse Long entry
01-10-2013 03:50:33
cosmo
Could go all the way to 1470
I was able to put on an ES contract off AT
01-10-2013 03:58:28
Praying_Mantis
still short the future for a hedge - hurting a little there!
01-10-2013 04:00:58
cosmo
You can trade the futures after hours. I just put it on again
You can't manage it from portfolio...you have to useAT
01-10-2013 04:02:24
Praying_Mantis
Intraday exit orders did not execute even with Target (Market) and $0.00 limit.
01-10-2013 04:02:36
BruceB_RR
Interesting, I wonder if they are thinking of doing futures, or if it is a loophole in the system?
01-10-2013 04:02:49
Praying_Mantis
I'm assuming it's a loophole.
I could only do one trade at a time...I couldn't add additional shorts, etc.
plus, the p&l calculation is not correct - need to multiple by $50 for the /es
Lot of promise, but LOTS of work needed!
01-10-2013 04:07:02
cosmo
I think we are getting closer
01-10-2013 04:07:53
Praying_Mantis
That's cool! You can do futures (sort of).
01-10-2013 04:11:20
cosmo
Can't limit T/S threshold like on TOS or Ninja.
01-10-2013 04:11:58
BruceB_RR
Looks like they were seeing the same thing with the exits in the RTS forum.
http://i.imgur.com/I54At.png
01-10-2013 04:14:03
Praying_Mantis
I need a break. I'll check in later fellas!
See ya's in a few hrs or so!
01-10-2013 04:14:45
BruceB_RR
See ya PM
01-10-2013 04:18:56
cosmo
One strat that fires a lot showed up in both TO and also filled in RTS. My main strat that does not fire often only filled in RTS...it is only showing the exit side of the strat in TO
For stocks at the top of thier range as should be
their
ES trade did not close automatically from limit sell order that was placed from AT. It shoes up in the order book and the price traded above that point.
shows
01-10-2013 04:36:05
BruceB_RR
Hopefully we will get an update tonight that fixes this. Almost seems like the same exit stuff we had before in 4.0
01-10-2013 04:37:11
cosmo
Market order won't close it either. I was able to cancel them on OB
01-10-2013 04:38:47
CP711
Good afternoon
01-10-2013 04:39:34
BruceB_RR
Point of info: You might want to think about your folder setup sooner then later. When you build a Strategy with a rule and then move the rule to another folder, the strategy loses the link to the rule. I expected it to work this way but just confirmed it.
Hey CP711, I had a answer to a question you posted, yesterday I think. Now I don't remember the question :[
01-10-2013 04:42:32
CP711
I cant remember either I have had so many lately. I got another weird thing happing I wanted to share
My Wizard lab is buying and selling still even though I do not have anything imported
I cleared my positions the day of the update
01-10-2013 04:43:51
BruceB_RR
I think there are a couple of other that has seen that also.
I think you may be able to fix it by resetting the account back to $100k
That should reset all
01-10-2013 04:45:02
CP711
ok cool
how has yours been running today?
01-10-2013 04:45:44
BruceB_RR
You do that on the Settings page.
I've been working mostly on setup today. I was waiting for the next update to get back into the meat.
01-10-2013 04:47:42
cosmo
I noticed the folder breakage when I moved all of my stras out of import
01-10-2013 04:50:14
BruceB_RR
I had not moved any of the rules yet. Moving a strat I don't think will break anything, except maybe if it is running in TO or RTS and has positions.
lol, now that we have folders, I wish we had asked for a tag & catalog system like I have for the manual. Course there arn't many who would have the need for more organization as I do. Even in the last year I piled on more then a few rules and strats.
Hey CP711, could you scroll up to the top of the chat and tell me what time the first message you see is?
01-10-2013 05:02:17
CP711
k
15 hours ago
01-10-2013 05:04:42
BruceB_RR
15 hours? wow that is further then I am showing. Hmmm was your machine on all night?
01-10-2013 05:07:01
CP711
1.10 08:51 my bad
01-10-2013 05:07:12
BruceB_RR
I just upgraded the chat last night so that we should be able to scroll back more then we have been able to. :)
01-10-2013 05:07:54
CP711
that is pretty cool
cya
01-10-2013 05:09:13
BruceB_RR
l8r
01-10-2013 05:10:15
cosmo
Looks like we have to wait for after hours to get the 1470
01-10-2013 05:20:25
BruceB_RR
The search in the wizlab in very cool! regular expressions even.
Look at the pulldown on the left side.
01-10-2013 06:43:29
nelson
New update can anyone log in?
its not letting me
it was under maintenance a minute ago
01-10-2013 06:52:04
BruceB_RR
Yes, we may be just a bit early. ;) I've been trying also.
I'm going to run some errands, maybe it will be ready when I get back.
01-10-2013 08:56:55
Nelson
I see
01-10-2013 09:11:31
BruceB_RR
Hmmmm, got a update but it doesn't connect to the server yet! :(
I guess I'll make some dinner now :)

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