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Jan152013

Chat 1/15/2013

01-15-2013 09:14:18
BruceB_RR
Good Morning Everyone. :)
01-15-2013 09:15:41
Praying_Mantis
Morning RR (yawn!)
Round 12 -
01-15-2013 09:45:26
Midwest_Trader
Good morning. Any word on what is going on behind the scenes at Prodigio/OH?
01-15-2013 09:46:59
BruceB_RR
Got a new Prodigo 5.0 OptionHouse Promo this morning http://rr-corner.squarespace.com/video-links/prodigio-50-option-house-promo-1142013.html
01-15-2013 09:50:32
Midwest_Trader
cool. Highlights the local file system.
01-15-2013 09:51:24
BruceB_RR
Not so cool that the folder he opened was all red. lol
01-15-2013 09:51:38
Midwest_Trader
Yep... saw that too.
01-15-2013 09:52:14
BruceB_RR
But other then that I thought it was a good job.
01-15-2013 09:52:20
Midwest_Trader
General public won't know what that means. Hopefully they won't experience what it means.
01-15-2013 09:52:35
BruceB_RR
Yep
01-15-2013 09:53:16
Midwest_Trader
Now if only my swing trades would close when the condition is met as they should.
01-15-2013 09:54:16
BruceB_RR
I've got it up on the Home page now too. Actually a link back to the video page.
01-15-2013 10:04:09
Praying_Mantis
is RTS executing strategies not even selected?
01-15-2013 10:05:34
BruceB_RR
Have you ever selected them?
01-15-2013 10:06:37
Praying_Mantis
yesterday I did. Then I had to reset the account when buying power didn't show....
this morning.
01-15-2013 10:07:25
BruceB_RR
That was going to be my next question, did you reset the account? :)
01-15-2013 10:07:42
Praying_Mantis
I don't know if the system is executing strategies from yesterday,, or the new ones from this morning...
01-15-2013 10:08:25
BruceB_RR
I think that there might be a correlation there somehow.
01-15-2013 10:08:39
Praying_Mantis
I'm changing the exit rules to understand them better, but...
not sure what is or is not currently in the Prod system's servers...
01-15-2013 10:09:21
BruceB_RR
When ever I have reset my account it has reverted back to the original values again the next day.
It must be re-reading a data set from the servers, which is what it would do if live too. or should do.
01-15-2013 10:31:24
Praying_Mantis
Interesting...
the exits may be working correctly? That is...
if you leave the bars 'open' for a signal instead of 'closed'?
01-15-2013 10:33:02
BruceB_RR
Explain?
01-15-2013 10:34:04
Praying_Mantis
In the entry page, I set up a +/- 1.50 pts target for my strategy, then in the 'exit' page I embed three different strategies for exiting and leave the (Target)Market @ 0.00
all three exit strategies are saved with 'Open' bars.
So, I have five exits...target, stop-loss, and three different scenarios or exit rules
01-15-2013 10:36:54
BruceB_RR
For the Open bars, you mean in the rule you are using OHLC(xx) Open?
01-15-2013 10:37:01
Praying_Mantis
correct.
01-15-2013 10:37:13
BruceB_RR
hmmmm
01-15-2013 10:42:18
Praying_Mantis
http://screencast.com/t/6TIyZsv3L8iN
VZ for example
the wording in 'Pos Effect' is wrong...those stop/target orders are exits obviously.
01-15-2013 10:48:27
BruceB_RR
Unless you end up short,........ then they were right.
01-15-2013 10:49:29
Praying_Mantis
they're labeled 'open' because they were established in the 'Entry rule' of the Strategy Builder screen.
wow!
this is not intuitive at all.
I'm just happy something is working...
01-15-2013 10:55:39
BruceB_RR
Great, Mike got the ProdigioRTS site back up.
It was down all night for some reason.
01-15-2013 10:57:59
Praying_Mantis
k
01-15-2013 11:01:31
Midwest_Trader
I am observing the same thing mentioned earlier here: I am getting what looks like duplicate hits (four to be exact) in TO every five minutes. Makes me believe I have some strats still executing from days past.
01-15-2013 12:22:03
BruceB_RR
Interesting, I have not been able to do much in Strategy builder because I have not been able to see the folders (any) in the left window. I just fixed one last rule that had a error in it in the imports folder in Rule Builder and now I can see the folders again in Strategy Builder.
I don't know for sure that there is a correlation there but.......
01-15-2013 12:27:22
cosmo
RTS and TO workworking well today
Now we will see if it can manage exits
01-15-2013 12:35:32
Midwest_Trader
Just noticed that "MyRules" rules are now visible on the
Quotes screen, when customizing the columns
01-15-2013 12:36:19
BruceB_RR
Were they missing before?
01-15-2013 12:36:22
Midwest_Trader
It doesn't seem to be current, however, as I have added a couple strats this morning which are not showing up
yes
Haven't checked for a few days, but were in initial V5 release
01-15-2013 12:41:11
BruceB_RR
Hmmm, seems like I had looked at it before. They do seem to have an aversion to sorting a folder list.
01-15-2013 01:09:12
Midwest_Trader
Anyone make use of the new "Turns Down" or "Turns Up" adapters? I substituted the Turns Down adapter in a rule where I was using "Two Bar Downtrend". Seemed to work about the same, however, the strat performed better in BT.
01-15-2013 01:10:14
BruceB_RR
Cool, I hadn't looked at them yet. but it is good to hear.
I have started to organize the new stuff in Evernote so I can put it up in the manuals. Going to be a long process. ;)
01-15-2013 01:44:45
cosmo
The engine is not firing TO and RTS correctly for my stat. Their calculations don't match what they should on the TOS chart.
strat
Only a few look correct.
It may be triggering off my stop strat...not sure yet.
01-15-2013 01:47:08
BruceB_RR
That could be, I think we have seen some exit firing before.
01-15-2013 01:48:20
cosmo
I can't plot it on a Prodigio chart so it is hard to say.
Most look to be consistant but there are a few outliers in the bunch. Is their data clean without weird spikes that a strat might reference too?
The BT buys at the correct point however RTS buys at a different point. BT looks correct.
01-15-2013 02:12:48
BruceB_RR
I guess they are the only ones that can answer that.
If there are any spikes, they might be cleaned up in the BT data set.
01-15-2013 02:14:04
cosmo
That is a problem for me then in live trading.
01-15-2013 02:16:30
BruceB_RR
I it would depend on where the live data feed is from. Might be good to ask them.
01-15-2013 02:16:53
cosmo
I'll send Mike a note
Have you noticed "Save" is very slow in RB?
01-15-2013 02:24:28
BruceB_RR
Yes, it seem so.
01-15-2013 02:24:56
cosmo
They might be in a de-bug mode
It is cool we get hits of the exit side of out strats now. They look to be correct.
01-15-2013 02:48:16
BruceB_RR
Yeah, I like that also. I do wish that they were little bit easier to see what was what though. I think that the Strat should be colored by the original intent of the strategy and the Action say open or close.
01-15-2013 02:48:34
Praying_Mantis
Agreed.
a trade just executed on a symbol not included in my selected list...ugh...
I deleted the symbol this morning...so, I'll give this till tomorrow.
01-15-2013 02:50:50
BruceB_RR
Check to see if the list is still selected. I think I've seen the list go blank, not sure what that is about.
01-15-2013 02:51:42
Praying_Mantis
Yeah, I reset the acct again. Inputed my strategies...
I am enjoying this Key Reverse Long strategy in the system, though!
but, like someone said here before, I think we need to manage the exits for these pre-built strategies.
I gotta take off for a bit. I'll catch you guys later.
01-15-2013 02:55:32
BruceB_RR
L8TR
01-15-2013 04:50:09
timtom
I was reading some from earlier - sounds like maybe some progress on exits working when using rules?
01-15-2013 04:52:17
BruceB_RR
Yes, possibly :)
I was re-reading yesterdays chat, Did you still have a question about regular exit orders, without rules?
01-15-2013 04:55:34
timtom
I think Ive got it sorted. It just doesnt always work as planned if you put your entry and exit as a limit once your trigger is hit. Sometimes your intended exit gets hit first if you put them both in the entry tab.
and you end up on the wrong side of the trade
01-15-2013 04:56:57
BruceB_RR
Yeah, that is pretty much it, for now.
01-15-2013 04:58:24
timtom
got it. it was throwing me off though bc I put my entry as a day order and my exit as a GTC. So, sometimes my exit would get hit days after the trigger but my entry had expired, so I couldnt figure out why I had all these short, open positions when backtesting
took me a while to figure that one out
01-15-2013 04:59:48
BruceB_RR
I think that they should be acting as one cancels all orders but.....
01-15-2013 05:00:25
timtom
right. V4 was pretty good and keeping the orders in a 1st, 2nd, 3rd fashion. This version, no so much. yet.
and yes, once exit was hit, then any other open orders for adding positions were canceled, as I would expect them to be
01-15-2013 05:45:15
Midwest_Trader
Any word on a new code base drop?
01-15-2013 05:46:30
BruceB_RR
I just asked a few minutes ago, haven't heard back anything yet. :]
01-15-2013 05:57:53
Midwest_Trader
ok
01-15-2013 06:11:51
BruceB_RR
Mike says they are looking at Friday for an update.
01-15-2013 07:32:21
timtom
so you guys were having some luck using rules for exits today? Im not getting squat
or I am getting squat. Not sure if that's a double negative.

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